diff --git a/PKHeX.Core/Editing/CommonEdits.cs b/PKHeX.Core/Editing/CommonEdits.cs
index 504040b56..54fafc731 100644
--- a/PKHeX.Core/Editing/CommonEdits.cs
+++ b/PKHeX.Core/Editing/CommonEdits.cs
@@ -202,7 +202,11 @@ public static void ApplySetDetails(this PKM pk, IBattleTemplate Set)
             pk.IVs = Set.IVs;
             pk.EVs = Set.EVs;
 
-            pk.SetSuggestedHyperTrainingData(Set.IVs);
+            // IVs have no side effects such as hidden power type in gen 8
+            // therefore all specified IVs are deliberate and should not be HT'd over for pokemon met in gen 8
+            if (!pk.Gen8)
+                pk.SetSuggestedHyperTrainingData(Set.IVs);
+
             if (ShowdownSetIVMarkings)
                 pk.SetMarkings();
 
diff --git a/PKHeX.Core/PKM/Shared/IHyperTrain.cs b/PKHeX.Core/PKM/Shared/IHyperTrain.cs
index 63d689d22..baaca1505 100644
--- a/PKHeX.Core/PKM/Shared/IHyperTrain.cs
+++ b/PKHeX.Core/PKM/Shared/IHyperTrain.cs
@@ -91,10 +91,14 @@ public static void SetSuggestedHyperTrainingData(this PKM pkm, int[]? IVs = null
             t.HT_HP = IVs[0] != 31;
             t.HT_ATK = IVs[1] != 31 && IVs[1] > 2;
             t.HT_DEF = IVs[2] != 31;
-            t.HT_SPE = IVs[3] != 31 && IVs[3] > 2;
             t.HT_SPA = IVs[4] != 31;
             t.HT_SPD = IVs[5] != 31;
 
+            // sometimes unusual speed IVs are desirable for competitive reasons
+            // if nothing else was HT'd and the IV isn't too high, it was probably intentional
+            t.HT_SPE = IVs[3] != 31 && IVs[3] > 2 &&
+                (IVs[3] > 17 || t.HT_HP || t.HT_ATK || t.HT_DEF || t.HT_SPA || t.HT_SPD);
+
             if (pkm is PB7 pb)
                 pb.ResetCP();
         }